thread its a very clever ploy
because if she gets in again at all, its completely the will of the people, not her choice, not her cabinets choice, being out of Europe will be entirely the british peoples fault.
permalink Well, that is what it is right now, too.
She just wants to underline that.
permalink and avoid a general election in 3 years time
once the shit is travelling fan-ward and everyone is sick to teh back teeth of the tories.

get one in now, gives you 4 years to lock it all down.

frankly whenever anyone gives the reason for an election as "secuity" i get the heebee jeeebies
permalink I think we have a rough ride ahead of us and whomever has the reins should hold them
until the strategy is complete.

It makes sense, but I do not want May. I wish Charles Walker was pro EU - I'd back that fucker.
permalink or in the obverse position
I think whoever has the reins should be doing so in the firm knowledge they're going to directly face the court of public opinion again one year after brexit.

calling this election means they don't want that to happen, which means they expect things to look pretty bad in 2020, which I think is not a reassuring thing at all.
permalink Whoever starts this thing is going to be massively unpopular
Because it is a shit idea.

We do not need change the years into a transition and Matt can negotiate much more effectively (and keep the more rabid right wing elements in check) with a greater mandate.

I do not like her at all, but I feel this is best for the nation.
permalink I hate the term, so what do you mean by mandate in this context?
just coming out of it with more whippable MPs? Because as far as brexit goes, that's not needed, because they have the Labour whip too.

or do you mean greater % of the public vote? Because as far as brexit goes, they already have a referendum result.

This snap election isn't anything to do with the national good, this is just about the party interest and supporting the oncoming governmental power grab that will come in 2019.
permalink Ack! My response got eaten.
It was more verbose than this, but in essence I said that I specifically mean that she will have won an election, something which only half of post war prime ministers have achieved, and doing so will allow her to further temper the extreme right.

I also mentioned that I agree about the party, but the side effect of stability is one I embrace.
permalink Did you see that Deutchebank are creating all bearish fx trading on Stirling?
Duck me, that could be good news.
permalink interestingly they suggest a longer 'transitional arrangement'

The three material changes cited by Deutsche Bank are as follows:

"The deadline to deliver a 'clean' Brexit without a lengthy transitional arrangement by 2019 far less pressing given that no general election will be due the year after."
Deutsche Bank argues that MPs pushing for a hard Brexit will have their influence diluted, thanks to a larger Conservative party majority.
Finally, Saravelos suggests that a fresh election strengthens "the PM's overall negotiating stance who in recent weeks has clearly fallen in line with the European negotiating approach."

permalink Well, that is pretty much my take on things.
I mean, angry Bongo may have better intelligence.
permalink I'm not angry
I just think you're a wrong headed prick
permalink I know you do.
It is a shame, I hate to see an active mind swamped by bigotry.
permalink Of course you do Manley
Because you're a wrong headed prick
permalink No, I am just a conservative liberal pragmatist.
If they binned off that prick Corbyn and stood on an anti Brexit card then I'd vote Labour. I am not partisan, I just want whatever is best for us all in the circumstances.
permalink Is a conservative liberal pragmatist like a contrary cunt?
permalink Contrary to your totalitarian left wing nonsense,
permalink given that at the moment labour couldn't organise a village fete
it's not a terrible move.

I don't expect the tories to give any clarity exactly what they would be voting for.
permalink I'm sure they will make it very clear
by painting it on a fucking bus.

Then they will run around explaining that they had their fingers crossed behind their backs all the time, ya, boo, sucks.
permalink just so you know
my reply down there, should have been here. not sure if board is wonky.
permalink You were clearly just drawn to the dogging.
permalink I'm pretty sure that it's only dogging
if someone's watching.
permalink We were all in that bus that drove past slowly.
With binoculars.
permalink in my bad old days up in
Silverhills in my RS Turbo there would quite often be the same car driving past several times as well as an old council van, and in one memorable occasion the polis :)
permalink I thought it was the act of watching
that was called dogging.
permalink *flashes headlights*
permalink Much as I dislike the current government,
if I had to vote today, I'd be very scared of voting Labour, Corbyn seems borderline dangerous at this point.

The only way anyone will beat the tories is by committing to withdrawing Article 50, and making no other policies. Then they might get 48% of the vote.

Having said that, our electoral system wouldn't guarantee a victory with 48% of the popular vote.
permalink I don't think you'd actually get 48% of the vote either on that
permalink i still like corbyn when he's given the chance it's hard to argue against what he's saying
his big problem, as ever, is his dislike for soundbites and media HATE that
so no-one will get the chance to listen
permalink when he's sayign something he's alright
when he's doing anything it looks incompetent.

My leftie Meeja mates are pulling their hair out a bit, at this sot of stuff
(excuse miss-use of phrase 'meme')
permalink oh the board has started eating posts.. or maybe just anti-tory ones...*waves to echelon or whatever
i didn't realise they'd opted out of mainline media and that article points out their stoopid mistakes not only with tweets but traditional fliers
if they have opted out that wipes away a massive demographic that don't have time to mess with twitter (and i suggest they'd be the ones more likely to vote ukip)

they do kick themselves in the foot rather A LOT!
permalink there's quite a lot of long threads on this page
so it's probably on the fritz
permalink that's a symptom of the wider problem
that he doesn't seem to understand that as leader of the OPPOSITION he doesn't get to set the political agenda of the day - he needs to respond to what's going on in government. Even today, an absolutely prime moment to attack Matalan Maggie, he just waffles on about generic fairness. It's not that he doesn't do soundbites, it's that he doesn't even acknowledge anything that's happening, and you can't print his response to an issue if he doesn't respond to the issue in the first place. On the radio today, when asked about the election opportunities he was talking about the 2008 financial crisis and Osborne's austerity package for fucksake.

I agree with nearly all of his politics, but the guy is an absolutely fucking awful politician. The small good that comes of this is that we get the election needed to shift him done sooner.
permalink "Matalan Maggie"
permalink Hear
permalink good point
ALSO i didn't realise they had to vote on the election and corbyn went for it
poor tactical politicking there i think
permalink It's worse than that
She's holding it because the party could lose their majority under the CPS investigation, they'll be better off if the polls prove correct (which they probably will). They will move the shit hitting the fan to the next time they could lose the election, and even if they lose this they can blame it on the next Government.
permalink And I expect that a sound argument is that
a hung parliament/coalition means ineffective representation at Brexit talks, so Brexit becomes even worse than it already is.