thread Cor. Two in a row.
It's Friday, it's going to be a scorcher, and I have next week off.

permalink Wowee! Lucky you!
Do you have any more of an idea of your movements next weekend?
We're likely to be arriving late Friday night, around Saturday all day (except for certain portions where at least one of us has to be at the conference) and Sunday morning before going home after lunch.
We're staying in halls on the south west of Holyrood Park.

I'm up for more or less anything, beers on Saturday night would be great, but I'm equally happy to accompany you and ickle illuminator to the park if that's the appropriate craic.
permalink I think I'll have ickleuminator Sat/Sun.
We can certainly hook up for something at some point. Beers Saturday night are unlikely, I suspect, but early evening saturday beer and a bite might work... or a bite before you go on Sunday.

Pity you're getting here late Friday... I could easily have made that work for beers.

Where are you staying?
permalink I shall see about a half day off
and coming up a bit earlier.
I'll get back to you...
permalink we're staying in Pollock Halls
at the university
permalink ah... good location.
Easy for you driving-wise coming from the south. Close to my office although that isn't relevant.

There's a good pub just across the road and plenty more at this end of town.
permalink Good pubs?
In Edinburgh?
Shirley not...
permalink Not really hard, right enough
When you were here we never went south of the museum, but there are plenty of gooduns in this area.
permalink Which building?
I'm not sure if there's more than one building, that's all I know.
permalink It was built as an athlete's village for the commonwealth games, so there's a few
but I'm only being nosy because I used to live there.
permalink if you get put in grant house
ask for room 228 and see if they have sorted out the smell yet.
permalink Yay for you!
I've just overmilked my tea.
permalink And this is why
black tea is best
permalink NON.
permalink OUI
. .
permalink Bof
permalink *Gallic shrug*
. .
permalink Ja.
Mit Zucker, bitte.
permalink If you're drinking it with sugar
you don't actually like the taste of black tea...
permalink Of course not, I like the taste of sugar.
But as it's frowned upon to publicly shovel it into my face I tend to add some tea.
permalink In Scotland we have various ways of eating pure sugar by the bucketload.
"Tablet" being a classic.
permalink No, tea with a very small bit of milk is best.
If you think someone might bodge your tea then you opt for a black coffee.
permalink You've got to watch out for those people who think that
less milk is an acceptable substitute for proper steeping time.

When the revolution comes, those fuckers will be first against the wall.
permalink No, when the revolution comes
those people will be making instant coffee because it's much harder to get wrong.
permalink When the revolution comes
there will be no instant coffee.
permalink Instant coffee will be allowed to continue,
but it will be renamed "dried brown faecal granules" to avoid confusion with actual coffee.
permalink will it be sold by the piss-peddlers Tabz kindly drew our attention to yesterday?
permalink Did you
order any?
permalink Not yet. I'm spoilt for choice.
Can't decide what kind of piss to get.
permalink No,
they offer a quality, natural product, and take great care to only sell the finest merchandise.
The two products are completely at odds.
permalink Very true.
I just emailed you something for a laugh....
permalink It's certainly amusing.
Yet also worrying that someone is making that sort of effort.
permalink I don't think I'm going to fare well in your revolution.
permalink Just get your beverage consumption habits in line.
I have you pencilled in as Minister for Sheds in the new regime.
permalink Come on now, CJ,
You've got a new job, disposable income, a company car, and you own your own home - it's well past time you joined the fascist middle class beverage elite.
permalink I lack the proper coordination to be sufficiently resourced for proper coffee.
permalink How hard can it be?
You need to own a caffetiere, and then buy some coffee.
permalink A spoon is essential
and preferably a cup/mug of some sort, although I suppose you could get by with a straw at a push.
permalink And a kettle,
but I assume he has these things having ruined a cup of tea earlier on.
permalink last time I made proper coffee
the plunger was a bit stiff, then when I pushed harder I was showered with very hot (but not boiling) coffee.
permalink There's a cracking
innuendo in there somewhere.
permalink Especially if one adds "cream"
I'm nearly finished my list of "stuff that absolutely has to go out today before I disappear on holiday"/ Yay!
permalink in MY revolution cafffetiere users will be up against the wall as well
it is a complete disregard to the children and old people who pick the beans
to then use them in such a disrespectful way.. if you don't have a machine then a peculator is the least you can do
to honour their effort
permalink In your revolution,
we're all screwed.
permalink that's a bit rude
what makes you say that cuntface?
permalink I was just reckoning that
in the scale of coffee sins, a caffetiere is closer to the good end of the scale than instant, and as a result, most of us would be up against the wall for some slight or other.
For example, I own a caffetiere, and I once went to a Starbucks, which presumably means I spend 8 weeks doing hard labour in the rigby-gulag before I'm shot against the wall...
permalink you could always elect for reprogramming which comes with
a free stainless steel peculator (we don't like the aluminium ones) and a grinder FOR YOUR BEANS

edit: oh and dominocat would be minister of coffee (and other drugs)
permalink ok, it's a benevolent dictatorship
With a social conscience.

I'm on board.
permalink tea, strong with a splash of milk
coffee, black
permalink Proper Strong Espresso
The only correct hot beverage for daytime. About 8 or 9 should get one through.

Fruit/Spice teas permissable in the evening or if you're not feeling very well.
permalink ^ this
though if you'r not feeling well it's time for gin
permalink teas before 11am
gin thereafter.
permalink OK
but only if the tea doesn't involve cowjuice.. lemon or honey at the most
thread Chinese people take a western first name for dealing with us occidental types...
One of my regular contacts in Guangzhou, for example, calls herself Claudia, although her real name (rendered roughly into phonetic english) is Fang-Fang. I know an Eddy Fung, a Rickie Wong, a Walter Wang, etc. The western names are usually something fairly mainstream.

However... I just got an email from a bloke called Omega Feng.

It is taking all my willpower not to ask him if he's a Transformer.

permalink does he make knock off watches?
permalink Maybe he does that on the side.
His day-job is as a design manager for massive curtain walling packages....
permalink It's not significantly worse than being called
Massimiliano Fuksas I suppose.
permalink fair point.
The latest thing we did with them is on designboom - http://www.designboom....

The lighting isn't set up properly yet, but it's a fairly mad thing.
permalink "Theatrical lighting" eh?
It looks great! Nice and mental.
permalink I wouldn't say "Theatrical"
No good lighting photos, but nice to see it finished as we haven't been able to get back in to focus and programme it properly.
permalink I'm sure you wouldn't,
modest and self-deprecating as you are, but the article says "theatrical"...
permalink it does indeed.
at least we get a credit, which is unusual...
permalink Haha
My Chinese colleague called herself Betsy when she went to university in the US, her real name is Mei-Mei (means Beautiful - Beautiful).
permalink We should do the same the other way round.
I shall be Dà Yīnjīng
permalink Panda Penis?
permalink Actually... I think I'll change it
Just found out that pandas have tiny cocks.
permalink I might just go with "Yīnjīng"
permalink Zhìrè de sūgélán rén
permalink Not bad!
permalink I used to work with a Chinese fella who did that
but the only person who used his Anglicised name was his partner, we all called him by his real name.
permalink I am hijacking this thread
and taking it here - http://www.flemingoutd...

permalink Wow.
Those guys really have an extensive range of piss.
permalink I wonder if they've ever been robbed?
permalink That'd be taking the . .
permalink Comment in our office:
"Does the cougar urine attract older women?"
permalink People who bought Wolf urine also bought:
Wolf T-Shirt
permalink local collectors.
permalink I worked with a Wilson woo and a guy who stopped using his 'western' name
when he came to study in the UK as it was something like quentin or justin or something.

permalink You can write the name Wilson Woo
without and exclamation mark, surely?

Wilson Woo!
permalink he was a very mild mannered type
So it never seemed appropriate
permalink I hope he met and married someone called
Susanna Yay!
permalink And they named their firstborn
permalink I don't think Susanna Woo
is any better our worse than Susanna Yay.
permalink I was hoping they'd
double barrel themselves.
permalink The kid would be Woo-Yay, Houpla
permalink I used to work with an Indian fellow
Who when looking for a British sounding name decided on Clive Sinclair
permalink That is indeed a very
British sounding name.

edit: this reminds me of a tale which is probably apocryphal, but an ex of mine claimed to have gone to school with another girl whose parents' family had escaped Nazi Germany, and whose surname was Wunderland. As the first girl born in this country, the she had been give a very British name - Alison...
permalink Must be apocryphal...
I don't think that Wunderland is actually a name...
permalink Wunderlich


permalink I am from now on going to sneeze the word apocryphal whenever someone spouts bullshit
permalink Isn't it only apocryphal
if it's widely thought to be true?
permalink define "widely"...
permalink Indeed, but I got it from here:
permalink Depends what dictionary you ask
thread so my week is looking pretty odd

then going to manchester on saturday

complicated by the fact that the only flights form paris to glasgow stop in Cardiff.
permalink now that's just not true
is it

if I'd got off in Cardiff by mistake I think I'd have noticed by now
permalink who do you fly with?
my travel people may be spinning me fairy stories
permalink Ah yes easyjet do but only at noon which doesn't work for me
permalink Flybe and BA do it too.
Check skyscanner.
permalink no BA on the days i want to go
... it seems.
permalink bugger
permalink You have travel people?
Alistair, you've changed...
permalink He means Amy
permalink well there is a lady in the office who deals with the
company's travel agent
permalink It's a slippery slope,
you'll have a gentleman's gentleman and a woman who does next.
permalink and eunuchs
Not sure what for, but definitely eunuchs.
permalink they sort and organise my lego
permalink There's a gag involving studs here, I'm sure...
permalink If a 'woman who does' is a cleaner rather than a hooker,
then we already have severeal.
permalink I of course have no room to criticise,
as I have a woman who irons.

In an ideal world it would be a man called Jeremy, or, as C_I says, a eunuch, but both of those commodities are hard to find in the former coal mining communities of north east Derbyshire.
permalink just call her jeremy
and ask if she has testicles
permalink a woman who irons!
that's the bloody dream. I'd love a cleaner, but as I work at home, I'd be really uncomfortable sitting here when she came.

or maybe it would end in Robin Askew style shenanigans...
permalink Everyone seems to think it's a ridiculous extravagance,
but it costs me about a tenner a week for all my work shirts and trousers.
Given the same amount of ironing takes me a couple of hours to do myself and is very badly done at the end of it, I think it's money very well spent.
permalink if I had to wear a shirt for work
I reckon it would be money well spent.
permalink Working nude again?
. .
permalink not with this cheap vinyl-covered seat
permalink does she do your cravats too?
and polish your codpiece?
permalink One can't trust the staff with a silk cravat,
and a man's codpiece is his castle.
Or something.
permalink see now there's your mistake
travel agents are spectacularly useless at organising travel
permalink we have no choice
it's a company wide deal thing
permalink last place I worked was like that
I got frustrated with redeye flights, 12 hour connections and inconvenient hotels, so instead I'd figure it out myself and tell them exactly what I wanted booked
permalink your internet skills are rubbish.
i haven't been out the cuntry for a year :(
permalink Edinburgh, London, Paris, Glasgow
everybody talk about pop music!
permalink Edinburgh, London, Paris, Glasgow
everybody talk about Tabasco!

(nearest rhyme I could think of anyway)
permalink I can't think of many more
just churrasco and fiasco
thread I'm in France
which is nice. Watched yesterday's Tour De France stage from a vantage point by the 50m to go marker- there were big screens to watch the stage on. Incredible atmosphere. The actual sprint was a very "blink and you'll miss it" blur. Crash happened out of sight of us.

Comedy moment of the day: Dave Brailsford appearing to find that his pass wasn't in fact "access all areas" as he got denied entry to the "Club Tour de France" VIP area opposite us.
permalink closely followed by
the big cheer when the Greenedge team bus made it through the finish without hitting the banner.
permalink I looked out for you on the telly
but didn't see you. They do go very quickly don't they, the tv said they were doing 65kph *before* they started sprinting yesterday.

And are you getting out to see the TT today?

permalink nice, I'm rather jealous
... todays will look pretty spectacular i'm guessing.
permalink I have almost nothing to say about the tdf.
However, Word Of The Day here is "gambole" which appears to be common Brum parlance for "forward roll".
What is wrong with the term "forward roll" I ask?
permalink Gambol, I think.
That may well have been its meaning when I was a kid in Brum.
Which was a long time ago. I had forgotten that, and would now say that the word means to cavort or jump about (possibly used about lambs, for instance).
permalink Or
an old comic strip in The Mail (not sure if it is still there?)
permalink The Gambols,
I think I still have a couple of books of those somewhere along with my Beau Peep gubbins.
permalink I don't think it's the same word, but I agree that was my first thought.
"gambol" is pronounced "gamble" whereas the word in question is pronounced "gam-bowl"
May be derived from the same thing, but seems to be quite different.
permalink The English language
is a tricksy bugger
permalink Tell me about it.
permalink whereas I imagine German
is perfectly straightforward!
permalink It's so simple
I literally learned it as a toddler.
permalink it's floorless
permalink or
"it is if you're Adele" who insists it's pronounced "sky-fow...l" &c
permalink let it crumb bowl
permalink There's more to France than Nice,
it's quite a big country.
permalink .
wah wah wah waaaah
permalink http://instantrimshot....
permalink I was expecting
a photo of trim
permalink ah.
permalink ?

[edit] I should have realised googling that would have led to surprising images.
permalink yesterday I travelled to Basildon
Aiming to arrive around half past midnight. It took me an hour later because they'd rolled the roads up in the south - motorways down to one lane and junction closures.

When I eventually arrived I was told that there wasn't a room for me but there was one at Southend. I eventually got to bed after 2.
permalink I tell you,
going to Essex is not the future.
permalink pfft about the bus.. the french have a sense of humour hew new
a streaker action from you wouldn't have hurt though
you know with something written across your breasts
thread Work moan
Has anyone ever had a good experience with outsourcing development? I've been involved with projects at 3 different companies with half a dozen different outsourcers, none of whom have ever delivered on time and always end up costing more to put stuff right than it would have taken to do in-house in the first place.

AP: Moaning about the heat? Try Russia -
permalink At my last practice,
we experimented with outsourcing packages of construction drawings to various freelancers.
The problem we had was controlling the cost. You can get a competitive fixed price, but they either leave you with loads of stuff unfinished that's outside the scope of works, charge you extra for what was omitted from the scope, or include it all but do it shoddily and late.
We found that getting the "best price" was not the way to go, and that it was better to involve an outsourcer from the beginning, with them being paid a fixed price which leaves them room to make a decent profit. That way they want to be used for repeat business, so are prepared to be flexible and diligent.
In short, we found outsourcing for cost saving purposes rarely works, but if you treat the goal to be flexibility, scale and the ability to respond to clients quickly irrespective of workload, then it works better.
Still, different industry and all that...
permalink It definitely works
But needs solid onshore management, a good SOW and the onshore managers to realise that you wont actually save that much money if you're managing the work properly.

I've built a career out of offshore management and I've definitely seen it work. It's just not as simple as chucking the work over the fence and hoping for the best.

Edit: assuming by 'outsource' you meant offshoring of course.
permalink I guess I am an outsource
and the problem we always have, client, us, anyone, is lack of decent project management. decent PM involved from the very beginning, well set out project plan, sorted. being run by an arsehole, always bad news for everyone.

mind you, pay me to do something twice, I'll take the wonga.
permalink maritime climate ftw!
I'm at Watford gap services and am craving dandelion and Burdock.

I don't want to have to drive any more today.
permalink go and get us a chippy
permalink we got SSSS
to go under..what more do you want from us man???
permalink he's now working the
100 Bloody Acre