thread Sue Perkins just tweeted me. *melts*
For context, this is like Flan and anyone ginger.
permalink who?
permalink She is English.
I was going to mention a famous Welsh lesbian entertainer, but I really cannot think of one.
permalink Raquel Welch
permalink cerys matthews?
permalink Is Steve Abbott
a woman?
permalink probably
permalink what's she done thats good
permalink Some QI, Mel and Sue
but predominantly Heading Out, which is superb.
permalink oh cool well done you then
permalink That thing
with Giles Coren
permalink a bit like Victoria Coren
but with all the desparate middle-aged letching taken away?
permalink mmmm
permalink something about
permalink The News Quiz
I'm a fan as well
permalink Cor!
When I turn the bathroom lights on the extractor fan comes on.

Can I add a dimmer? Or not because of the fan?
permalink is the light switch
inside the bathroom? probably not if so.
permalink No, it's outside.
I know I could use a dimmer if it was just the lights, but i don't know whether the fan would get upset if i dimmed it.

i suspect I can cos it's just a fan, but I thought I'd ask.
permalink Nope
It will be taking the switched live feed off the lights feed, also don't dimmers use some sort of pulse malarkey instead of just reducing the voltage ?
permalink Most dimmers chop the waveform by triggering a triac at a varying point in the cycle
Usually on the leading edge in the UK, and the trailing edge in most of Europe.

As to your fan situation, it depends what the fan will accept as indicating that the lights are on. The permanent live will be undimmed anyway. Give it a try. Can't see that you'll harm anything.
permalink "Can't see that you'll harm anything"
we shall recall this statement, once the emergency services have left the building, or what is left of it...
permalink admittedly, i didn't allow for a cowjam factor
permalink I've now got power to the shed*

*the recovery shed, not the other one
permalink Awesome.
permalink It didn't work.
When I turned it down the fan hummed loudly on anythign but full and the lights stayed at the same brightness until a certain point when they went off (GU10 LEDs).

I've put the old switch back on and will return the dimmer.
permalink Worth a try.
Most consumer LED GU10s are shite, and don't dim well with or without fans involved...
permalink I thought they didn't
dim at all unless they were specifically designed to?
permalink exactly.
Most of the consumer ones are non-dim, the ones which claim to dim will probably dim very badly.
permalink bad dim!
bad dim!

Back in yer box!
permalink do you want
to speed up or slow down the fan as well?

I can't imagine it would too hard to wire it up.

Also hello, how're you? Did you make it to SA?
permalink hello! Good ta. Yes, made it to SA.
Stayed in Nordhoek just south of Cape Town for a week, then went east as far as Knysna/Addo, then back up the west coast as far as Doringbaae.

It was all utterly phenomenal.
permalink I haven't made it down there yet
I am still mostly full of mine dust and black label. I am hitting CT in Nov/Dec as a tourist type

What was your favourite bit?
permalink difficult to say, but about an hour outside of cape town
is Hermanus. There's a backpacker's place called Zoete Inval, which is more like a B&B than a backpackers, and it's run by a fantastic couple. The man, Jan, is a font of knowledge and gave us some excellent advice about what to see and how to get there.

We were heading up to Oodsthorn for Cango Caves (which were good, but all cave systems look alike to me), and he suggested taking the Swartberg Pass over to Prins Albert.

What he didn't tell us, probably because it wasn't unusual to him, is that the tarmac on that road runs out before it stops being flat. We were in a fairly low powered sedan, so it was interesting.

We then had lunch in Prins Albert and drove to Plet Bay via De Rust and Uniondale - a lot of which was done on winding passes and unmettled roads.

We stayed in Zoete Inval three different times we loved it so much, and that was entirely down to the staff.
permalink you clearly had a very different SA experience to me
Where I was based tarmac was normally reserved for heavy vehicles from the mines, or in built up areas.

The gun range, the wakeboarding, the lion and tiger creche all required off roading.

They still won't give me a hilux either so I was in small compacts saloons and getting a new one each month
permalink Never tried it.
Is the fan on a timer? If it is I wouldn't imagine it would be a problem as the permanent live is constant anyway, the switch just tells it to go. If not I'm not sure it would work until the dimmer was switched right up or even vary the fan speed.
permalink you might be able to
separate them and add a dimmer, and a switch for the fan... which is better for nightime usage
permalink For an entirely windowless bathroom,
which CJ's is, this would be contrary to building regs, I think.
Which is obviously fine, but you may want to swap it back if you put it on the market or someone will ask for a Part P cert for the electrical work and he'll be into difficulties.
permalink Response to which is
"It was like that when we moved in".
permalink You will have to test, but I would imagine that the light turning on
hits a transistor switch and the fan has a separate live feed.

This is normally the case as fans tend to have timers and stay on after the light is off.
permalink right, thank you all for your replies.
The fan used to have a timer but i had presumed it used a cap since you don't really need much juice to run a fan.

I will give it a go. I have a spare dimmer somewhere.
permalink anyone got Asda corned 'beef'?
now with added horse/dog
permalink horse is the new beef
permalink That's not news.
That the Asda Price Corned Beef was 50% horse broke a week or two ago. The news is that it definitely contains bute.

So, Asda has changed from saying "You can bring it back if you want, and we'll give you a refund, but really horse is very tasty" to issuing a recall.
permalink or you could handily explain away a positive test
in a major cycling race...
permalink Despite currently working my notice I can't stop this job bothering me.
My boss is back after a month in New Zealand. I tell him that I'm very concerned about staff who now work for a different organisation still having access to our systems, and that one of them added another user who doesn't work for us.

My boss said "it's ok, I trust her" as a response. No risk assessment, nothing written, no liaison with the information governance lead, nothing.

I pointed out that we could limit her access so she'd still be able to deal with the bits that she needs to deal with, but he said no. Fucker.
permalink maybe he's leaving
permalink Where as
I have taken over responsibility for the Contracts team and cannot get access to their shared folders for love or money!
permalink presumably
because he thinks it'l take so long to get that done that he's "taken a management decision". Whether it will come back to bite him if your staying or not is SEP
permalink I'm pretty sure it's because he doesn't consider it any kind of risk
that people from a different organisation have root access to a major system full of patient details. He's right - the main staff member with access is trustworthy, but that doesn't mean it's not a risk or wrong in terms of Data Protection.
permalink Who is your
named data protection officer now?
permalink you could ask your new boss if it'd be ok to whistleblow
if you think it's that important (i think it is as
i don't believe people aware of how things are already being broken up)
permalink If you haven't already,
you should email someone more senior than you saying the same thing - that way if they try and point the finger at you after you've left you've got proof you tried.
permalink feeling old #427
just explained to my colleagues that my physio regime now includes a treadmill with a moving hydraulic jack at one end "like out of Rocky IV".

They all looked at me blankly.
permalink *looks blankly*
i'v never seen Rocky IV
permalink I've never seen
any of them. Fact.
permalink what?
thread Is she still dead?

TOTN - Ott - Owl Stretching Time -
permalink Oooh.... there's a brilliantly titled track I haven't heard in a long time!
And yes. I think so.
permalink yay for his wibbly wobbly Ottness
top tune, top bloke!
permalink *coughs*
I DO believe it's one certain Mr Dury and his Blockheads:
permalink I'm also liking this
permalink just flicking through the channels to avoid news
Primeval is very exciting isn't it?
permalink I've given up for a couple of days
I'm sick of the sight of Gerry Adams being more of a gloaty cunt than usual
permalink same here.. her voice revolts me to my very core
and some of the creeping apologists for her actions are gobsmacking.. anyway had a bit of a laugh in brixton last night
permalink Tabz!!!

Neil Smith has snuffed it :(
permalink :o(
. .
permalink is she? from mr moynes
permalink Broadsheet ?
Jesus Riggers
permalink what? just looks like a blog to me
anyway moynes is an old b3tan4rthurian.. what's the problem funny innit?
permalink It's supposed to be a legitimate news source
but all it seems to do is regurgitate reddit
permalink legitimate on the level of buzzfeed or something?
it looks pretty amateurish to me.. i think i'd look other places for news
and this is A POEM!
permalink You mean
it's a song with no music
permalink how an obiturary for Thatcher
that suits everyone

very, very clever work.
permalink hehe.. nice one
permalink I'd like to hear the balanced view
on her post-government work on promoting tobacco in the 3rd world, or her support of Pinochet and Suharto

I'm not convinced there's a 'controversial' spin on everything the murderous psychopath got up to
permalink i'm quite suprised the pinochet/suharto support
and her calling mandela a terrorist (which even her third bastard child cameron says was wrong) hasn't come up more
permalink arf!
permalink that witch is dead song
is really tearing up the charts
permalink I've decided that I should be capable of knitting.
permalink I used to be able to do that
I should try again

Scarf knit off?
permalink Yeah, you're on.
Now all I need is some needles and some wool. And some instructions.

*wanders off to google*
permalink you want to look up Jiva
permalink She always installs
the Ask toolbar though :(
permalink I have made a couple of jumpers and cardigans and stuff
for adults who wore them non-ironically.
thread So, Monkeys then
funny eh?

What did you have for lunch?
permalink I had cheese and pickle sandwiches
because we're not going to Tesco until tomorrow and there's nothing else in the fridge.
permalink You have cheese, pickle and bread
and you think you're in need of a shop?!
permalink apart from that though
the cupboard is pretty bare. admittedly by some standards I am positively rolling in food, but by ours, we need to go.
permalink Noodles.
permalink ?
permalink no wonder you're such a fine figure of a man
permalink ^ stick
. .
permalink I had some pasta with tomatoes and brokkoli.
Because fuck you, weather, I want spring and if it has to be carried here from Spain.
permalink salmon
.. bok choi, potatoes carrot and brocolli
permalink A couple of packets of crisps
and a Boost
permalink Three of us went to the Mosque Kitchen
Huge plate of chickpea rice, chicken curry and dall. £4.50.

permalink This is amusing

permalink Young co-worker next to me had no clue either...
permalink At least he has the excuse
of being in another country
permalink lunch?
it only 8am...I just had some toast though, for breakfast
permalink I might go and get some coffee
as I am about to be stuck in a 3 hour review meeting...deep joy!
thread Thatcher's dead.
edit: For fuck's sake, I'm sure I refreshed first.

permalink Do keep up
permalink I hope
they waterproof her grave
permalink TOTA
permalink as a public sector worker
I hope you get a free day off.
permalink Oh dear.
The first person to make a dancy re-mix of Ding Dong The Witch Is Dead will earn millions.
permalink Try to keep up
permalink So you are saying there are remixes already?
I don't have video at work.

I like this tweet though:

Lots of confusion with the hashtag #nowthatchersdead - people thinking Cher is dead
permalink Capitalisation. More important now than ever.
permalink elton john is doing a cover
permalink Some of the sanctimonious callers for respect on twitter
are using the argument that she was someone's mother.

Whether respect is due or not, holding up the two junior Thatcher twats as a reason to respect anyone isn't the strongest argument...
permalink It is true.
Mark, in particular, is a cunt.
permalink why the hell would she want a nationalised funeral
have it funded by private enterprise
maybe charge people to piss on her grave if they need to raise funds
permalink And...
Why is Cameron cutting short his trip? In what way does Thatcher's death change his duties?
permalink He has to come back
to remove her head . . . just in case
permalink +1
permalink I'm sure I saw somewhere reputable
saying she's being cremated? Nothing quite like making sure.
permalink Irrespective of one's views on Thatcher and her policies,
she was a human being, and I want no part of people rejoicing at the death of a human being.
As a result I will be avoiding this 'board, facebook and probably most of the rest of the internet for at least a week.
permalink i however will be masturbating over thoughts of her final hours
before going out and getting smashed
permalink can we have an hour of talking about it
then just go back to pants and terrible music?
permalink Seems like the right place
for TOTD then

William D. Drake - Homesweet Homestead Hideaway -
permalink I've put 80s pop internet radio on
it's currently Duran Duran. I might just go sit quietly in the shed.
permalink I have Elvis Costello & Billy Bragg on Spotify
Mixed-in with some ska
permalink pretty sure everyone will run out of steam long before the end of the day,
then on her funeral day it'll start again then everyone will forget/have hangovers
permalink My sentiments exactly

permalink Well said
that man.
permalink she thought very highly of nelson mandela
and considered pinochet a terrorist.

hang on, that's the wrong way round isn't it.
permalink To be fair,
Mandela was a terrorist at the time.
permalink as was Pinochet
permalink Yeah, yeah, and I bet people will be feeling rather ashamed
afterwards being so excited over someone having a stroke.
Nonetheless, is there a webcam with sound picturing the inner city of Glasgow? I'd imagine there might be some hell of a party.

Also: Argentina.
permalink there was a crowd in George Square
but most of them were already there for a bedroom tax protest
permalink Come to askreddit. We had three thatcer posts almost instantly
so I'll be removing the rest.
permalink The novelty will wear off quite quickly, I suspect

Unless she gets posthumously linked to Yewtree.
permalink CNN are using a very good picture
permalink haha
permalink Christ. How many levels of wrong are there in that image?
The big NSPCC badges really finish it off.
permalink great now we'll get lady di-esque bleeding heart hysteria
and the tories loving every fucking minute

she's not dead she's being a cunt as ever
permalink my prediction:
the daily mail publishes something about some prick doing something horrendous like i dunno pissing through her letterbox or sending abusing letters to her kids,
then it turns out the mail was sort of half-lying
and twitter goes nuts
permalink the mails's will have filed
the sanctimonious "look at these digusting people partying" story alongside the pre-written obituary
permalink lollers
permalink BREAKING NEWS!
Thatcher found fit for work by ATOS.
thread Thatcher's dead
this post sponsered by the committee to upset Manley
permalink someone just said that accross the office
there was an odd silence as people didn't really want to se cheering.
permalink Much the same here...
The next 24 hours should be fun.
permalink Bit of a piss-up in Scotland tonight then?
permalink send her raddled corpse up here.
We'll deep fry it in batter.
permalink unfortunately I was in Yorkshire and just got home
I would have like to have been at work when that news broke
permalink i shall remember to cheer
when your parents die / dance on their graves now
permalink I've not met Al's parents
I bet they don't have such a polarising effect on people though.
permalink so what?
permalink so, some people despise
her for beginning the destruction of the welfare state and destroying swathes of the north of the country. some don't.
permalink it says much of the people themselves
and the state of politics imho
permalink unfortunately
we do not live in a utopia where everyone agrees with everyone else.
permalink And nor should we.
Living in a civilised land where no man glorifies the demise of another should be attainable though, no?
permalink I very much doubt it.
permalink seems unlikely
if someone despised her in life, why change just because she's met her inevitable end? Death comes to us all, why should that alter your opinion of someone?
permalink Unless David Cameron is Thatcer in a gimp costume
her being dead changes nothing, and there is no benefit or purpose to celebrating her death even if you hate her.
permalink If i despise someone
it does not mean I wish them dead or glorify in their suffering.
permalink she died peacefully apparently
and no, neither do I necessarily, but I can't stand the woman, what she stood for or what she did. she's dead now. I still can't stand her.
permalink You can not like her,
it is the revelling which I object to.
permalink don't worry
I'll do the same when someone left wing dies as well to even it out.
permalink Top hole!
permalink I'd be fucking delighted
if George Galloway was in a position where he could no longer say anything ever again. Permanently or mute or dead.
permalink To be fair,
whilst I will not celebrate the death of anyone, Al's parents didn't destroy dozens of communities across the country, cause thousands of people to suffer unnecessarily, sell off national assets to the highest briber and rig things to ensure that the working class would never get a fair shake in this country again.
permalink well... they covered it up well, I'll give you that.
permalink I went to an independent school thanks to the tory government paying my fees.
Labour scrapped that scheme as it was elitist, preferring to put the money in to reducing nursery class sizes.

She didn't fuck all of us and I'm with mosschops.
permalink typical socialists
doing something to benefit the majority
permalink I said that labour put the money in to reducing nursery class sizes.
I didn't say labour reduced nursery class sizes by diverting the money. I realised that looking in to it would turn out to pointless and no doubt make me exceedingly angry.
permalink which was a fucking rare
thing for Balir's lot to do
permalink they also didn't "pilot" a manifestly unfair tax regime
where they had little political support to start with, the effects of which included many jailed unessecarily, mass disenfranchisment and a census that was barely meaningful
permalink Well said.
permalink finally
now can we put the country back together?
permalink The tories are going to sell it all off
in her honour
permalink I felt we had to have this arguement
I've said all I'll say though
permalink well, sadly, it won't undo the damage done
but there is some joy in knowing that we don't have to share air with that evil old hag anymore

DING DONG indeed...

I just wish she could have waited till July, and I could have had a pint back in Blighty in her dishonour
permalink oh go on then
the Morning Star

For them, that IS holding back. I bet there was a discussion there about running a "ding dong" headline
permalink that is
REMARKABLY restrained

permalink the Mail on the other hand
has gone for beatification
permalink Jesus Fucking Christ
On a moped, pulling wheelies, John the Baptist balanced on the handlebars in a sequinned onesie.

I suppose it's what one should expect of the fucking mail.
permalink that's quite a picture
permalink the Telegraph
have used the same one. Full collection

Yes, that's Socialist Worker with the blood soaked tombstone and "REJOICE" headline/ But I wouldn't go near anything to do with the SWP.

Meanwhile the Independent appears to have used a picture of Tony Blair