thread I am in a stunningly cool hotel in Oslo.

Sitting in the world's fluffiest bathrobe (feels like wearing sleeping kittens), streaming spotify from my ipad into the sound system, having decided not to watch a movie on the 42 inch plasma controlled from an android tablet. Drinking a Norwegian craft-brewed IPA and boggling at the "shopping drawer"... kinda like a mini-bar for stuff. make-up, toiletries, a shirt, tie, cufflinks, underwear, condoms, umbrella, god knows what else... hugely expensive obviously, but cool nonetheless. Got in from dinner and there's a cup with a special sleepy time teabag and a flask of hot water by the bed, and most of the 14 cushions and pillows have been taken off. Only 6 left on there now, I think. Unless there are some little ones hiding behind big ones.

Life could be worse right now.
permalink I shudder to think
given that the last time I was in Norway a little rural travelodge-type place cost me £140 a night
permalink just the standard Radisson in Stavanger was pretty eyewatering too
and that was with a Statoil discount too...
permalink not too terrifying actually, booked ahead.
Not much more than the airport Radisson was last night.
permalink made me giggle in the Norwegian Airlines in-flight mag last night:
permalink Ha!
(Also, *follows*)
permalink ditto.
permalink Ah-ha,
that's you, that is...
(also, ha!)
permalink Nice.
I just had to check whether it was a bank holiday. Nobody else is in and usually someone else arrives by about 8am.
permalink Sitting on the dining chair
making myself gradually late for work reading twitter. The chair is uncomfortable.
permalink I am sat rather precariously
as my office chair seems to be broken and is rather wobbly. I'm trying to avoid falling off it and braining myself on my bookcase.
permalink Wow, recursive cushions

I guess we now know who is cauing the world cushion shortage.
permalink cushions:
one of the pillows of Norwegian economy.
permalink HA! Very good.
permalink Yeah, but do you know in which direction the economy is heading?
permalink If you are making a funny on the dual meaning of the word "down"
then I applaud you and your efficient German punning.
permalink all hail the Feather-land
permalink Oh my!
This board is on fire today!
permalink Sheeeet
Did i catch you off Valance
permalink I do but
permalink that deservers a ticking off
... ..
permalink Amy was asking about lay in grid light fittings in her office
they aren't Cat 2 it seems, how feasible would it be to swap out the reflectors for something less glarey?
permalink This post was brought to you by a wireless keyboard
and this new tablet thing... weirdly for a tablet there doesn't seem to be any way to zoom a webpage..
permalink Have you tried ctrl+pgup?
permalink I'd have thought pinch to zoom was more likely.
Although as it's a windows tablet, ctrl&pgup might work, as might ctrl&plus.
On windows 8 gesture mice and touchpads it's a three finger swipe up or down to zoom in or out.
permalink JUST KEEP
oops. just keep shouting "computer, page up!" until someone invents voice control.
permalink I believe the command we'll all be using is
"OK Glass, page up"
permalink What's a gesture mouse?
permalink It's like Fingermouse, but upgraded to v2.0
permalink thirty drachmas a week!
no, wait, that's not right...
permalink It's a mouse with a single large button
with a multitouch surface to it. This means it detects left/right clicks and scrolls using the touch surface, and it also enables various multi finger gestures on the surface as well. For example, two fingers swipe left brings up the windows 8 "charm" bar.
The main disadvantage is it requires a hack to get a middle mouse button.
permalink Is that what your mouse is?
I thought it was just arty.
permalink It is, but it is
also a limited edition artist series touch mouse.
I got it cos it was on special like.
permalink Logitech does a couple of those.
I'm not tempted. Especially as I already use mouse gestures with my browser. The kind where you gesture _with_ your mouse. Gesturing _on top_ of my mouse at the same time breaks my brain.
permalink I got one with my
iMac, don't like it because of the inadvertent gestures I do with it, particularly in angry birds :)
permalink I was about to say that I might consider investing in one
but I might be able to get one with the new job.
permalink I actually have two.
The second one is yours for £20.
permalink Yes please!
permalink Very well.
I'll drop you an e-mail at soome point and we'll sort it out.
permalink That does work, but only when you have the keyboard attached
which is when you need it less
permalink I was tinking about this,
and pikey as it sounds, what about a sheet of trace or detail paper over the fitting?
permalink I suggested the same thing
permalink And I'm still reasonably sure
it would count as a fire risk to a fire marshall. If we had one.
permalink flourescent tubes are pretty cool
i doubt it would be an actual risk, though i'm sure somone would think so
permalink Even if it ASPLODED?
but yeah, h&s gone mad etc.
permalink You could use drafting film,
which isn't flammable, it would just melt into a large drops of liquid plastic. No problem there.
permalink Definitely
permalink Theatrical lighting filter
Comes in big sheets, flame retardant.

Lee 129 would do the job, I reckon.
permalink volunteer to be the floor fire warden
then do whatever the fuck you want.
permalink I'm the fire warden for our office
but we're in a leased office in a shared building so I doubt I'm the only person who has a say.
permalink nah.
600sq layins are cheap as fuck. built with every last bit of cost engineered out because the margin per unit is literally Pennies.

so not usually any replaceable parts other than lamps. it's all rivets and glue in there.

as you say they run fairly cool. no inherent danger in diffusing them. air gap between lamps and diffusers anyway. diffusing may just create a bigger hotspot as a veiling reflection though.
permalink I could suggest modifications if they were actually yours...
Like take the lamps out, spray the reflectors with matt varnish, then put the lamps back in...
permalink This is cool:
permalink yes it is
good spot
permalink I just got back from Africa again
I am broken and not allowed to drink.
permalink on a completely unrelated note
what torrent sites aren't blocked now?
permalink would you hunting for an ISO?
permalink he could check the reactor
permalink OK, so just proxy it
I didn't know, I've barely been in front of a computer for 3 months
permalink if in doubt,
just google for "pirate bay proxy" and it'll give you a variety of results, I don't think google can keep up with blocking them. always works fine for me.
permalink I don't want to download much, just
a few games/shows that I missed and aren't on catch up any more
permalink there's a few around still
whatever the rights and wrongs, it's always going to be too late when they're up there.
permalink plus if I want music I have spotify and
permalink I keep buying CDs and LPs
I am the last consumer
permalink I still buy books
and films but music is streamed
permalink The italians find tv easy
or EZ as our colonial cousins would say
permalink `
permalink or
you need some sort of PIRATE bay, available by PROXY on the NET

edit: for TV, try E Z T V dot I T
permalink thank you
permalink on this subject
permalink Perhaps this means that
Fox will disappear in a puff of circular logic.
permalink all of them
the attempts top block the pirate bay are irrititating but futile.
permalink thief is a great name for that
kind of thing
thread Wake up!

Heavy snow in that London today . . luckily nothing settled
permalink hm, what? eh?
it's been doing it in south cambridgshire too.
permalink there's been no heavy snow
there's been a few pissy little flakes. Fucking shit attempt at snow. It can fuck off if it is going to be like that.
permalink it was lobbing it down when I went to the optician
either that or my contacts really are busted.

[edit] much like my office chair it seems. anyone know where I can get a decent one for cheap?
permalink It's not been snowing here,
it's not quite as sunny as it has been lately, but it's not precipitated at all.

Despite this, I have just frozen a site layout. Go me.
permalink Beautifully sunny here in Manchester, with top temperatures of 7ºC,
but a strong Easterly wind meaning it feels quite warm in the sun - but you still need a jacket.
permalink And now over to Cowjam
for the sport
permalink 9.1 here
according to my outside thermometer.
permalink Is "outside thermometer"
some sort of euphemism?
permalink No. It's a thermometer
which is outside
permalink pervert
permalink It was fecking 5° outside first thing this morning
so that'll be autumn finally showing up then...

going to be a pleasant enough 17° later on, but with a cold/wet southerly change later on (how very Wellington on a Friday night)
permalink has now stopped in Walthamstow
making me wonder about venturing out for a haircut.
permalink Surely the weather is the least of the reasons
not to be going outside in Walthamstow?
permalink i'll have you know it's all up and coming
There is up and coming all over the place
permalink Sorry, who's up
and coming oll over the place?
permalink I assume that
Wake up!

was followed by a heavy blast of RATM?
permalink I was hearing the Boo Radleys, I'm afraid.
But then again they've been my ear worm for about 72 hours now, on and off.
I guess it's because the last three mornings have been particularly beautiful outside.
permalink This should be capable
of Radley removal
permalink PWEI
permalink good point well made
although I would prefer to be Touched by the Hand of Cicciolina instead :-)
thread so windows 8
Its fucking irritating

I can't tell if it is this tablet thing or the os
i am not ruling out 'both' as the answer
permalink it is indeed
a bit of a mess
permalink this only makes me glad
that I have so far, totally avoided it
permalink Have a TOTN
this is lovely

North Sea Radio Orchestra - Berliner Luft -
permalink I'm sure someone here recently said
"it has full windows 8 on it.. seems pretty good actually... a lot better than I expected."

Hello from Oslo, by the way.
permalink I seem to remember that
if only the statement was still visible . . we could mock it :)

Hello to the Olso jury, can we have your votes please
permalink Royaume-Uni
null points
permalink yeah, then i tried acrually getting something to work
permalink several cow-orkers have to use it,
and because they don't do owt old on it they quite like it despite it being PROGMAN.EXE in a new coat. Well, old coat. OK then, it's still PROGMAN.EXE.

Today I built a 1996 NT4 machine. From scratch. Using FLOPPIES and SWEARING. I love my customers.

Banyan Vines anyone?
permalink Windows 7 seems alright
permalink morning all
British Sea Power were superb. Had to leave immediately after though and missed the mystery support, who turned out to be Bo Ningen. Bit gutted I missed them
permalink were you mentioned on 6music this morning?
or was that someone else missing the support to get to cambridge
permalink me
I'd assume
permalink reverse order of support?
How does that work?
Better for people who have to leave early to get the last train to Cambridge, I guess.
permalink I think it was an exclsive press / promo / special fans
they often put main act on early as journalists / industry types want to go home occasionally
permalink I've found that Windows 8 doesn't work too badly on a touchscreen device,
but takes a *long* while to get used to.
It's still going to be problemattic on a touchscreen only device if you're using desktop apps, which I assume you are.
Can you get hold of an AutoCAD 2014 license? There are some new touch features in there that I've been unable to try out, might be interesting.
HP haven't made a decent fist of building anything that ordinary people interact with for many many years, is my opinion.
I had to print out, sign and scan a direct debit mandate the other day, and the whole exercise took me an hour with my HP device (and not a cheap one either).
permalink we are on LT 2008
but that will have to change when we go to win7 anyway.

the 'metro' bit does seem to work better, but there isn't much in the store etc.

I've not been able to load a DWG viewer of any description...
permalink I am lucky enough to have 2013 at work,
but I've been using 2014 at home for a while (I can't possibly confirm in any way that I'm an AutoCAD beta tester, because if I did it might be in contravention of any non disclosure agreements that I may or may not have signed).

I like the metro start menu. It's not great to navigate with a mouse, but the type to search works brilliantly, just press the start button and start typing, you can then carry out a search for anything, apps, web, whatever. I tend to use that method to launch apps, without touching the mouse at all. Actually, it's like the universal search in webOS used to be...

I also got a touch mouse that supports windows 8 gestures. This makes desktop win8 usage much better, but annoyingly CAD and SketchUp use much much worse.
permalink I suspect my vague dislike of ubuntu
is entirely down to it not being XP. I love XP, it's like a favourite jumper - comfortable despite it being old, smelly and if you're seen in public with it you'll be mocked.
permalink I hear you, Bro.
permalink Took me a few days to get it working like a real OS
with the help of a few third-party add-ons.
permalink I'm pretty sure that that is almost exactly
how an OS shouldn't work...

try telling MS that though...
thread So... Iain Banks then
.... I only ever read one of his.

EDIT: on a brighter note, work have given me an HP ElitePad to play with for a week to see how it goes, it has full windows 8 on it.. seems pretty good actually... a lot better than I expected.
permalink Read the rest

(which one have you read?)
permalink espedair street.
permalink I read that
in a day I think

Start at The Wasp Factory and work your way forward, there is a definite progression in his work
permalink Exactly this.
Plenty there to go at.
permalink sad sad stuff.
I think I've read pretty much all of them.
permalink Is it cynical to think he might have announced his impending death,
to get sales up before he dies, so that a chunk of income arrives before probate begins? Most people would rather keep it to themselves I'd have thought.
I can't immediately see a tax advantage, but then I'm too lower class to understand tax avoidance, apparently.
permalink It would probably be advantageous that his estate received it
after he died.. as that wouldn't get inheritance tax.
permalink That was my initial thought,
and in retrospect I wish I'd kept the idea to myself.
permalink It only helps with tax if you know at least two years ahead that you're going to die.
Even then, you have infinitely more important things to think about.
permalink I've not read any
I'm told I really should.
permalink You have less chance
of falling behind now
permalink I don't really like the normal fiction ones
just never got on with them. the sciffy is brilliant in places. still. shame.
permalink is my signed copy of Look or Windward going to be worth anything now?
permalink I think the only signed one I have is Feersum Endjinn
permalink I have Excession
Signed by Skaffen Amtiskaw
permalink I have Consider Phlebas
signed by GSV Irregular Apocalypse
permalink These are all made up,
permalink Nope . .
permalink Goodness.
I will have to get into these.
However, given my current seeming inability to pick up a book, it seems unlikely.
permalink They're characters
And all names are made up.
permalink Definitely read some more.
His early stuff is particularly good.
permalink Oh :(
I'm currently listening to Feersum Endjinn, then I'll have finished the sci-fi lot. I'll have to start on his non-sci-fi.

edit: It's just taken over half an hour to reboot my work PC.
permalink I'm thinking of
nuking Austria.
permalink there are still a couple of his non-sci fi ones I haven't read yet
but all the others are fantastic, and the M stuff has always been my favourite sci-fi.

Am really saddened to hear the more Culture
permalink Maybe someone else
will take up the baton?
thread Established Middle Class
. . . I was aiming for Elite

Also: this is absolutely fucking terrible news: http://www.littlebrown... (thanks to Staticgirl on twitter)
permalink I'm elite.
If I do the test again and pretend I'm not married I'm a new affluent worker.
permalink House ownership is a big factor, I think,
plus I know lots of electricians and the like, which seems to skew it massively, which is rather absurd.
I'm apparently an emergent service worker, which sounds like balls to me. If you read their descriptions of each group I'm either established middle class, or new affluent workers, but the fact that I know some tradespeople and rent appears to scupper my aspirations completely.
permalink I'm not sure how to respond.
I don't really understand the prattlings of the lower classes.
permalink But you live in
permalink He is
the King of Wigan
permalink Yet unable to understand
his subjects
permalink Seems like monarchy
to me
permalink I know! What larks. It's like Shameless Live!
Streeview has been updated:
permalink Quality Wigan in the window there. Well done.
And I see the WRS peeking over the fence...
permalink Thank you. If you look closely you can just about see the outline of a person
through a window. That's me saying "Was that the google car? I hope not, the windows are filthy!"

Thankfully it's not that high resolution.
permalink given that the electricians probably earn more than you
it's all a bit skewed
permalink Fair point.
Well made.
permalink It is all wage.
Put in a wage of over £100k and give yourself cock all for the rest.

permalink Do you think knowing a tea expert on Fortum's shop floor
counts as knowing a shop assistant?

I got established middle class too. Not much of a surprise.
permalink It appears to be entirely down to wage for Elite.
I own a house and have savings - next week I intend to put some of my savings into my mortgage - at that point I will become middle class again.
permalink It's not wage alone.
permalink Put in a high wage, expensive house and high savings and leave the rest blank.
permalink 100k
and leave the rest of it as nothing.
permalink I suspect it's just savings
as my household wage isn't vastly high and my house is very cheap.

edit: the household wage is in the middle, which is more than most.
permalink if we combine household income we are elite
permalink After tax?
permalink ah no..
in that case...
"if you pretend we make shitloads more that we do then we are elite"
permalink Oh I didn't notice that,
I have no idea how much I earn after tax.
permalink that's the trick
if you're posh, you don't pay any tax, it's all done through the Caymans
permalink It's normally how much washes up in your bank account each month,
multiplied by twelve.
Unless you're self-employed, which, come to think of it, you might be.
permalink I'm not, but I don't get to the end of my money
at the end of the month, so I don't pay attention.
permalink Also there's no housing option
for 'sponge off boyfriend'
permalink "sponge off boyfriend"
sounds like a fairly kinky bedroom practice.

Or something you do when the boyfriend has a fever, perhaps.
permalink He wishes
etc etc
permalink my brother is a personal injury lawyer's assistant.
I put solicitor, piss-artist wasn't an option.
permalink My dad's a solicitor but I don't know him socially
Al's dad is an ex-lorry driver but I don't know him socially either. although I do socialise with them.
permalink oo, what sort of
permalink Commercial conveyancing
but can probably give advice on other scenarios, what's your problem?
permalink I've found a lot of people who
know commercial conveyancers :) I'll FB you.
permalink No wockas.
He's got a resi conveyancer working for him as well.
permalink Elite.
That said, I found the 'do you socially know' question odd - I know all of those groups and would have thought that everyone would?
permalink Not socially.
I don't know any lorry drivers or electricians. Obviously I know an electrician, I've had one in my house for a few days recently, but I don't socialise with him.
permalink I guess I am just more social than you?
Not socialist though.
permalink I guess so.
permalink if I could get away with it
I wouldn't socialise with anyone. I live next door to an electrician though.
permalink Established middle class
i came out as traditional working class, but then realised I missed out the salary question.
permalink I'm Elite
Apparently cos I have a mortgage and have friends from other social classes
permalink I was technical middle class
because I know a poor person.

[edit] i like the way secretary and nurse have the same effect on score as cleaner and farm worker.
permalink my butler
says he is working class and wont comment on my status
permalink interesting, if I
say I own a house I'm established middle class, but if I rent I'm an emergent worker.

It didn't give me the option of owning AND renting though. Like @tkingdoll said 'I did that and it put me in Slytherin'
permalink And there is no accounting for
permalink Yet the descriptions of the different classes
state an average age.

I am now prepared to call the whole exercise bullsh1t.
permalink Likewise.
permalink Ditto,
if we lived with partners, the household income would double and we'd be middle class. Who knew class was predicated on marital status?
permalink Well
I did.
permalink I know a couple of
unmarried toffs, one has a title and everything, and not even a crappy one, he's a Viscount.
permalink his his nickname 'minty'
permalink Sadly not.
I haven't spoken to him in years actually, I knew him when I was selling shooters.
He got me a new job, which was horrible and I walked out, and he took this as a personal slight and chewed me out a bit.
He might have been promoted to Earl by now.

edit: nope, no promotion yet, although he will be doubly earled when he gets bumped up. He has become engaged, which is preposterous, as he was clearly very gay.
permalink You still able to get shooters cheap?
I fancy a new toy.
permalink There is no such thing as cheap shooters.
The margin in the gun trade is almost nothing.
The company I worked for used to sell new guns at cost, and then take their retrospective discount in merchandise every year, and call that their profit.
Unsurprisingly they went bust, and one director is in clink as a result of having kept two sets of accounts, and the other ran off to South Africa.
permalink However, I may still be able to help a little bit,
what did you have in mind?
If it's something old and exciting, I may be of more help.
permalink Old and exciting appeals.
My old man has a 16 bore Purdy by Evans - I have always sort of just thought 'one day', but he seems intent on staying alive.
permalink Seeing as it's you, I can correct you terrible errors.
1. It's spelt Purdey.
2. Purdey had next to nothing to do with the manufacture of any of the Purdey by Evans ones, and there's no quality comparison of any sort. Actually some of them may have been engraved by Purdey staff, but apart from that. I suspect it's worth comparatively little, I'm afraid.

What you want to do is take a trip to Spalding. Bill Elderkin is the man for old esoteria for all budgets, his shop is fantastic, and he's an utterly lovely chap. He's definetely the man for a decent Purdey that you actaully want to use yet not shell out a kings' ransom for.
Local to you, I assume you know not to trust the lot from Paignton. Ladd's are better, but not by a massive margin.

edit: I don't mean to malign your father's gun, it's almost certainly a top notch bit of kit, but it's regarded in a different league by the trade. I'd always buy Birmingham if I wanted to use it, London if I wanted it to retain value.
permalink It is not an Evans of Purdey, the spelling of which I blame on Apple,
It is branded James Purdey, but I havevslays been told that it was worked on by William Evans before he left for Holland and Holland. My friend Lewis worked at H&H for a spell, before going Gilly.

It is not one of a pair, but a stand alone gun (although I suspect it was a third to a pair) specifically built for one of the grand folk who blew his left arm off.

I know Ladds, but I tend to browse the largest gun shop in Europe, which is in Exeter. They have all sorts of crap in there, from 9mms through to 50cals
permalink Ah! I was thinking of the sort of brand engineered ones they did at one point.
Come to think of it that may not have been Evans.

The largest gunshop in Europe is The Sportsman of Paignton, as was. Gary, I believe the bloke's name is. They bought out Litt's for whom I used to work, but prior to that when I was in the wholesale side of the trade, and before they got as big as they are now, the Sportsman were horrifically dodgy grey importers and delinquent payers.
Quite a lot of the crap they have now was probably dug out of Litt's Newport store, that place had some terrible old crap in it.
I used to run their second shop in Berkshire, but that shut down pretty much when I left, and the whole shooting match (badum tish) fell apart about 18 months later.
permalink Ah! They are in Exeter now.
They are for the wrong sort of shooter, but I got a nice 9mm for my kids there for £100, which was okay and they sell cheap plastic wadding shells for when I am using my trap.

I haven't bought fibre ones there, I get them online somewhere, the same place as my brass 9mm ones.
permalink Well, so long as it does not
scare the horses.
permalink I did, but then I married out of my class.
permalink The other thing everyone's forgetting
is very true saying "you can't change your class, but you can change the class of your children"
permalink Indeed, which brings up the dilemma of which school to send any kids we have to
We live in a working class area so sending them to a private school might be the way to go. Not because working class is bad, but it'd broader their social horizons.
permalink hmmm
I went to nob school for a period, and I wouldn't say it broadened my social horizons, in the class sense. Probably the opposite. It did mean mixing with people from lots of different countries, though, which was good.
permalink Whereas I think nob school was most likely beneficial for me.
I suspect I wouldn't be as happy mingling outside my class, as comfortable with public speaking or as able to wear a suit as I am.

Perhaps social horizons was the wrong term, I meant that going to school outside of one's normal class is probably beneficial.
permalink my nob is very well-schooled.
permalink I'll have my people fill that in for me after luncheon.
permalink it says elite for me
but my pie looks far more like the technical middle class one
permalink Established middle class
now there's a fecking surprise...
permalink Emergent service worker
Although i don't recall having serviced anyone recently...